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Tim's Excellent Juice Recipes?

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So according to Tim's twitter he's already 20+ days into his juice fast. I can't imagine that he's drank the same recipe all 20 days. So hey Tim, could you write back with your favorite or at least better-than-tolerable juice recipes? Healthy eating Double Fine fans want to know.

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He said on Twitter that he was going to make a post in the forum about his juice fast soon, so he'll probably give us the details in a few days or so.

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Okay, I'll post all my juice SECRETS!

But first, here's the deal. I'm on a juice fast. No, it's not the "Celebrity Juice Fast" as lampooned by Penn and Teller. It's a healthy GREEN juice fast where I eat nothing except fruits and vegetables in juice form. Mostly vegetables.

I saw a movie called Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead, and it inspired me to give it a try.

Check it out! It's on Netflix instant streaming.

It's about a guy who's my age and overweight and goes on a 60 day juice fast to get better. Along the way he meets an even bigger guy, and that second guy's story was so inspiring, I just had to try it.

So, to prove that I'm very suggestible, I bought the same brand of juicer that's in the movie. Not the same exact model though. It's a Breville Juice Fountain, and I love it.

I mostly drink the Mean Green juice that they drink in the movie. It's pretty good!

But I'll admit I get a little sick of it some times. So at night I switch to a more tomato-based juice. I'm trying to recreate V8 in my house right now, starting with this recipe. Messing around with the amount of onion in it because it easily gets too strong. Also, too much beet and you can't taste the tomato. And I'm adding things like parsley and basil. Basically I'm trying to trick myself into thinking I'm eating an Italian dinner.

Those are actually the two main juices I do. I supplement with fruit juices some times for fun, Like Pineapple/watermelon/ginger.

But I'm looking for more! Please share some of your favorites if you're trying this out.

Please, this isn't a thread for doubters. I've heard all the arguments for why this diet doesn't work, or why some other diet is better. That's awesome. You guys go do some other diet. This is the thread for people who are interested in juicing! I've been on it 21 days and I'm down over 25 pounds. And I feel super healthy and energetic.

So let's hear it for JUICE!

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I'm not particularly au fait with this weight loss things being the kind of person who might blow away in a strong wind, but I'm curious as to why it'd be an advantage to drink juice as opposed to making a salad composed of the same ingredients? It seems like it'd be a little easier to convert as you'd avoid the "I've stopped eating real food" feeling that I'm guessing would make starting this kind of diet difficult.

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Got it! :)

Okay, well, the main reason is you wold have to eat four massive salads a day and you'd probably sprain your jaw doing it.

Think about sitting down and eating six whole, long leaves of Kale, a cucumber, four stalks of celery, two green apples, etc. And then imagine doing that several times a day. I don't think I could!

So instead I juice it all up into a pint glass and slam it down and I'm on my way.

Also, the fact that there's a hard and fast rule is what makes it easy to follow, not hard. I don't eat any of the candy in bowls around our offices because I don't eat ANYTHING.

I've never ingested so much Kale in all my life. But that's awesome.

Any my 4 1/2 year old daughter, who won't eat ANYTHING, loves this juice. So I have to make extra for her. Now she's eating Kale.

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I'm not on the juice fast myself, but a friend of mine and his lady are both on one and are really enjoying it a lot. He was telling me at work yesterday that they made a spicy, bloody-mary-esque drink with kale that they both found delicious.

I'm not sure if this is the exact recipe they used, but he described the ingredients to me, and this looks similar enough:

http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2012/03/the-kale-mary-kale-juice-tomato-celery-recipe.html

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the problem is that you're not going to drink only juice for the rest of your life, right? you'll start eating solid foods again and those damn m&m's will become tempting once more. how are you planning on coping with that? just plain willpower?

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I would sooo do this, but i don't think it appeals to me right now, as i need a lot of protein to maintain strength, and get stronger for football. (they don't play around with that diet in college).

Mayyybeee if i drink the juice, but also supplement with a protein shake every day? I'm not sure how it'll affect my strength/energy and all that.

Hmmm...

I would like to drop about 20 pounds though. And 25 pounds in 21 days, Tim? thats excellent!

Looks like i'll do some reading on how this affects strength building and stuff like that.

The energy boost that would come with this type of diet is definitely something i would love. i feel so drained all the time lately.

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Definitely when I come off of it I will be moving into some new plan. Just plain willpower never worked for me before. So I don't think the juice fast is the final solution. It's just puts me in a much better starting place for kicking off a healthy lifestyle.

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Tim I'm so glad you're embarking on such an extravagantly limiting but potentially healthy diet - just remember if you're deficient in terms of nutrients such as protein, don't hesitate to cook yourself a lean steak or something... but yeah my favourite juice is Oasis pineapple/mango - it's got a lot of glucose/fructose (possibly even some added :/) but it's damn tasty - if you can make your own out of some banana puree, mashed up mango and pineapple in your blender you'll ensure there's less added sugar and have a tasty and probably refreshing fruit-based sort of drinkie/beverage!

..Just don't ask that old man in that house you randomly wandered into the other day what you want from HIS beverage selection - I think he'll only give you h20, even if you're an awesome game designer! But yeah man have some pineapple/mango juice with banana, it's kind of like banana puree baby food and we all love that, right? RIGHT? Am I the only one who secretly buys that, claiming if even obliquely prompted that I have a little sick baby daughter at home (preferably adopted), and as I strive to look tired (and maybe succeed) claim she's kept me up with her cries all night - even tho I'm just going to devour that stuff myself? (I'm single and have no daughter.. xP)

...Really tho, you'll love this juice flavor infusion (not to sound like some fruity - punnage intended - independent health food company whose juice you found on some dusty shelf full of overpriced and probably slightly oldish specialty juices and miscellaneous beverages..!) So to avoid THAT potential nightmare, try the Oasis for a taste test if the mood strikes you, but if you make your own fresh to your own peculiar tastes it''ll be even MORE awesome (:P don't get me wrong, I love your peculiar tastes! how else would Brutal Legend have been made!! ;D) Post your recipe if you try it!! I'd love to hear your blenderizing process/ ingredient choices! The minutiae Tim! The MINUTIAE! All of it! I must feed! :D/;P

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Yeah... I was thinking about undesirable health effects...

What about the "rebound" effect? Once you start eating "normal" again you'll likely be taking at least some weight back again, I think.

Btw, Don't you have any deficiencies? What about vitamin B12 or just plain old proteins? I guess you're not trying to gain muscle, but still...

I'm a neuroscientist, not a nutritionist... so what do I know.

what do you think about progressively adding white meat to your "life-sustaining compound"? Once you're done, obviously.

Btw, I'm (we are) at least expecting a video of you from Day 1 to Day 60 gulping green stuff with some obvious music (Eye of the tiger)

P.S. I speak french and randomly placing "au fait" really does add that "je ne sais quoi". Images of wine tasting and monocles are popping up in my head.

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I watched the documentary a few weeks ago after you mentioned it on Twitter. It really made me want to give it a try. I damn near bought a juicer one evening. But I didn't wanna cheap out on one, and a good juicer seems like more that I can afford at the moment, so I left without buying one. If I was to get one, I'd want something that's built to last. But I'm glad to hear it's working out well. Hopefully I'll be giving it a shot soon enough.

Also, I can't find Kale anywhere around here. It's not common here. You probably can't even get it. Never even heard of it until seeing the documentary. From what I can tell, it's some kind of cabbage.

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Jicama adds a nice, subtle taste. I prefer it over stuff that's too sweet.

It bugged me that standard juicers had such a small juice catch since I create batches for several days. The amount of wasted food was another annoyance. I intend to switch to this juicer as a result:

http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/the-best-juicer/

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I create batches for several days. The amount of wasted food was another annoyance. I switched to this juicer as a result:

But!

Most places I've read said fresh juice only lasts 24 hours, even in a sealed container. I make mine in the morning, bring it to work in a thermos, and drink it throughout the day. The 5:30 glass is definitely different than the 9:00 am glass!

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Take a multivitamin every day while you're still doing this? You might be missing out on some amino acids and B vitamins.

Also since you're "eating" so many leafy greens and vegetables you might want to watch out for symptoms of Hypervitaminosis, because a lot of health foods and drinks are vitamin fortified and it's surprisingly easy to overwhelm your liver with the fat-soluble vitamins. I don't think its possible to get vitamin toxicity off of just plant mater*, but consuming enough vitamin-fortified edibles can do it. Well, organ meats too, but you're not drinking puree of giblets. [/ramble]

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I started a weight management project of my own in mid December. While it's not as interesting as juice I thought I might be able to help some people. When I started I weighed 89kg (196lbs), I'm 170cm (5'5") tall.

But first, a little history. About five years ago I embarked on a similar program, I got down to 73kg (161lbs) but I wasn't able to sustain it. I had just moved out of a rental house and I was building my own house so my routine got messed up and there was a lot of stress involved. I also made the first mistake that I will point out. I focused too much on weight, getting down to 73kg was a pretty big achievement but I got disheartened when things started to slow down. I was approaching a healthy weight and didn't realize it, what I should have done is switched to waist, chest and leg measurements and not worried so much about weight. I'm hoping I don't repeat the mistake.

So how are things going right now? Well let's see:

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I'm down to 83.4kg (185lbs)

First of all, you shouldn't weigh yourself every day, but I'm a statistics nerd and I like collecting data. So I'm prepared for the fact that if you do weigh yourself every day you're going to see your weight go up and down. This can be discouraging at times, you might just want to do it once a week. Secondly, check out the weight over Christmas/New Year, it's an interesting spike. I managed to hold my ground until all the BBQs (Here in Australia) were over. If you don't eat out or go to restaurants often then there's no reason to worry about the menu, anything you eat will just be a speed bump if you keep up your regular program.

So what am I doing this time? I'm sorry to say it comes down to a balanced diet and exercise. I haven't found a secret that works. But you might be surprised at how little you can get away with. There are two exercise programs I've found that are good for us video gamers who need to be eased into it.

The first is the Couch to 5K running program (http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/181.shtml). I chose this because all I really needed was a pair of shoes and some old clothes. It works like this: You start running in short intervals, sixty seconds to begin with, alternating with a long walk. As the program progresses the walks get shorter and the runs get longer until you're running for five kilometres. If you live in an area where you can run on the sidewalk or a track then you've already got everything you need.

The second is the Starting Strength barbell program (http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ:The_Program). This is a little more complicated than the Couch to 5k but it gets the same results. It's a group of core exercises done with a barbell. Like Couch to 5k, you get a little better each week. You have to buy weights or join a gym for this one, you might even want to pair up with a friend or ask a trainer to assist you.

There is the chance of injury with both of these programs, take it easy, stretch before and after, exercise with a friend if you can and if you are injured remember to RICE (Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation). I do my exercise every second day with a day of rest in between, you don't need to exercise every day. The first day it will hurt, you'll get muscles soreness and you may want to take two days rest for it to pass.

So what about food? Unfortunately food is place where you can make the most difference, but it's also the hardest. In my case I specifically chose the period over Christmas because I'd be away from work. We have a soda and candy machine at work and we're surrounded by coffee shops. Over the two weeks holiday I was able to get a head start in breaking my sugar/coffee addiction because I had removed myself from easy sources of them. I still have a coffee if I'm out with friends, but I'm not going to get one every day any more. You can make a lot of progress just cutting out sugar soda and regular coffee but sooner or later your're going to have to address your main meals. A big part of this is learning to read food labels. Steer clear of a lot of salt, sugar or fat. You may see things advertised as "low fat" that usually means they're loaded with sugar.

My breakfast was already pretty healthy, I have a bowl of muesli with skim milk. I buy muesli with dried fruit. People say you shouldn't, but you can't just eat tasteless food all the time you're go crazy. Sometimes I'll buy a few bananas and put the whole lot in a blender and drink it as a smoothie.

For lunch I was bringing my own in for a while but I found it just as easy to get a salad sandwich from a place near work, it also helped smooth over relations with the coffee shops I'd stopped frequenting. Steer clear of mayo, salt or any extras, pile on your favourite vegetables (carrots, capsicum, lettuce, cucumber, etc). On the weekends I make scrambled eggs on whole grain bread. No salt, but a little bit of pepper and chopped tomato.

Dinner was hard because I'm not a very good cook. This strategy might not work for everyone as it can get expensive, but here it is. I'd buy a pre-packaged healthy frozen meal (Check the label!), plus everything I needed to cook a proper healthy meal. If I messed up the cooking I'd eat the frozen meal. You can keep the frozen meal around as an insurance policy for a while. As you learn how to cook it gets easier and you won't need the frozen meal. I'm eating a lot of lean skinless chicken, I looked through the sauces and marinades at the store and bought one that had the least amount of salt, sugar and fat, just to keep things interesting. I'd also pile on the brocolli, carrots, green beans and cauliflower. Swap out for a lean cut of steak once in a while. Also, buy smaller bowls and plates, you'll eat less.

So what happens when you fail. Well the first thing is you probably haven't failed yet. Failure isn't when you go up in weight when you expected to go down, you don't fail when you eat a chocolate bar or miss an exercise session. You fail when you don't go back and try again. As long as you haven't given up and you're back on your program within the next few days then you didn't fail, you've just taken a slight detour. If everything goes well you should lose a maximum of 4kg (8lbs) over the course of a month. Anything faster might not be healthy. Remember, the changes you're trying to make here are long term, try to make them ones you can sustain. You might end up doing this for the rest of your life.

I've really just scratched the surface so some places you can get more information:

Fitness Subreddit - http://www.reddit.com/r/fitness

Something Awful Fitness Forums (Weird I know but these guys and gals really helped me) - http://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=179

Well this is getting pretty long so best of luck everyone, be safe and I wish you all the success in the world. Lastly, if you think you might be at risk of injury or you need specialist advice, go and see your doctor before changing your diet or embarking on an exercise program.

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I create batches for several days. The amount of wasted food was another annoyance. I switched to this juicer as a result:

But!

Most places I've read said fresh juice only lasts 24 hours, even in a sealed container. I make mine in the morning, bring it to work in a thermos, and drink it throughout the day. The 5:30 glass is definitely different than the 9:00 am glass!

In terms of taste or nutritional value? There's negligible difference in taste compared to a glass fresh out of the juicer, but I keep it all refrigerated at home or the office and it doesn't go bad.

Now I research.

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Here in Australia, Woolworths is selling juices based on the group behind FS&ND; called RebootYourLife: http://www.rebootyourlife.com.au/ these juices last a little while on shelf. They also have a little backpack that comes with a drink bottle and recipe book.

Joe has a good website all about his juicing here: http://www.rebootwithjoe.com/ comes with plans. Juice only diets plus Juice and Food diets, plus good recipes :)

My wife and I were going to try it last year but we didn't get around to it. Now the Kale is out of season so we must find a replacement before we can try again...

If anyone is thinking about this should probably also check out http://www.foodmatters.tv/ this is a documentary on loosing weight the healthy way. It features interviews with Joe Cross about his juicing and also includes another that I would recommend John Gabriel from http://www.gabrielmethod.com/

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25 pounds? Off just juice? Wow, I'd think about giving it a try but according to my doctor I'm only about 6 pounds overweight. Not good obviously, but not something that really needs that drastic a change. Its always been easier to exercise with me, just can't get over the taste of most of the so called "healthy foods". But I guess a boost in energy and not feeling like crap all day is more than enough of a benefit.

Anyway, my mom used to make this great juice/shake drink with dragon fruit. I don't have the recipe but I did find one close online:

1 Dragon Fruit, 1/2 Lemon, 8 oz. plain or vanilla yogurt, 1 tbsp honey.

Unfortunately Dragon Fruit can be hard to get a hold off, but who the hell doesn't like the name Dragon Fruit? That's so cool, even better than Star Fruit I would say.

/Most useless post ever.

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Dunno, i never had any weight problems in my whole life, i don't even own a scale. I enjoy eating and drinking whatever and whenever i want to. I mix healthy and less healthy food but i also enjoy making sport (climbing, running, Badminton, ...). It's more fun burning calories instead of trying to avoid them and you feel a lot better physically as well as mentally this way. You can get kind of addicted to making sport if you're doing it on a regular basis and feel bad if you can't do it for a couple of days.

The important part is just to start moving no matter how awful you feel. I remember that after i once was very ill for a long time, trying to make some sport afterwards again was exhausting after a very short time already but you just need to keep going and pushing your daily limits when you feel after it. With each day you will feel and get better again. Muscles build up pretty quickly, sinews take a much longer time. It's important that you do a couple of sports which you really enjoy, otherwise you will get tired of them in the longrun. I don't understand people who enjoy going into a fitness centres when you can have so much more fun outside or with way more interesting sports.

Anyway of course you also need to be more careful about what you consume when you're having weight problems in this time as well, f.e. without a certain support of carbohydrate you will feel more weary and so on.

Well, good luck with your juices but they are no excuse for not moving right now. ;O)

Btw. children are always good for a lot of moving around if you're playing with them.

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Okay, I'll post all my juice SECRETS!

But first, here's the deal. I'm on a juice fast. ...

It's incredible to see what happened after one Twitter exchange of yours with J.Hale :).

I so understand what you are going through. I'm 171 cm tall and I used to weigh 118 kg (260 pounds) after I graduated from the university (I was very frustrated by the school system + I always liked food = big weight bump). After starting to work for my second and current employer I had to undergo a regular physical examination. I had elevated blood pressure and the doctor told me I will probably have a high blood pressure when I hit my thirties if my state remains same. He also suggested PSMF to me under medical surveillance.

I was sceptical but I said myself I don't have anything to loose for trying. I lasted for a year, I got rid of 36 kg (80 pounds) and it changed my life. I never felt so lively. It doesn't hurt now when I bend under the table for something, I don't sweat during summer days anymore, I able to exercise without any pain or do long Just Dance sessions, I can reach a bus by running without gasping long after, etc. And my medical results are great.

It was funny to hear someone saying in Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead how they had to get used to their new body shapes because I still remember the same sudden realization :D.

I kept my weigh more or less but I missed a healthy and natural variety in my meals during a work week. I got inspired by juicing fast and now I go for lunch to a local mostly vegan restaurant (I haven't eaten meat since uni studies) and drink juices for snack and dinner. Yummy and full of energy. And my belly gets slowly smaller again :).

Keep up the good work, Tim!

By the way, juice recipes can be found here. It's good that people can rate it and make a comment. I love the one with beets, apples, carrots, and lemon mentioned in Starter Guide.

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I would LOVE to do this, but what kind of effect does it have on your psyche?

Do you end feeling - If I don't have a chicken tikka massala in the next four minutes I'm taking you all with me....

That's the one barrier for me, I'm all for it, but how do you, really get over yourself and find the willpower to continue?

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This is the thread for people who are interested in juicing! I've been on it 21 days and I'm down over 25 pounds. And I feel super healthy and energetic.

So let's hear it for JUICE!

Intriguing. I gained a metric arseton after i've quit smoking 1 1/2 years ago, and i would really like to get down to XXL again, (i'm tall and very broad shouldered by nature), but i hesitate about dieting, and with all diets i'm somewhat worried about malnutrition, do you have any medical resources about that and what i should take extra? And are you allowed to put salt/suggar in there? How about just eating that stuff? Does it have to be juiced? Well, i go swimming semi-regularly and it's fun and it helps, but losing weight is very slow and depressing. Please also keep us updated on how you are doing and so on. If that keeps working for you i'll do it too. How bout making a diet-blog?

Being fat is a terrible thing, having high blood pressure, gastritis and joint issues surely kills any of that "i love myself the way i am" BS. xD

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