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Posts posted by robotikuskus


  1. but bad writing shouldnt be a problem about sexism.

    Bad writing and sexism aren't mutually exclusive, though.

    it's true and i'm sorry that it isn't the other way

    edit: i'll try not responing anymore, cos i dont need a gamergate discussion in my life, it's extremely emotionally exhausting. Aha, well.. bye


  2. Okay, let's talk about sexism, and any -ism for a minute. I'm willing to believe that you are someone who genuinely believes in equality, etc.

    Equally, though, it should be acknowledged that not all sexism is of the highly visible kind, and not all sexism is deliberate. Arguably, the majority of it isn't, which is why it's all the more important to draw attention to it.

    Like the recent study, I forget where from, which looked at people's behaviours during meetings and found that women were much more likely to find themselves interrupted at work meetings.

    The conclusion of that study isn't 'and therefore these men are thinking, "my opinion is worth more than a woman's" so I shall interrupt'. It's far more likely that this is a learned behaviour. We are taught, in subtle ways, by the media to value a man's opinion in business than a woman's so even if a man say 'well that's ridiculous, and I don't believe that' and genuinely values women's opinions in business, he may STILL find himself interrupting more than men, because these sorts of behaviour operate on a deeper level.

    So, you don't have to be a bad person in order to act, in small ways (what some call 'microagressions') in a way that helps perpetuate inequality. And it's everyone's job who is interested in equality to examine their own behavior.

    That's point 1 - sexism isn't necessarily a conscious, outward, big agressive thing. It happens in many smaller ways, all the time.

    As i can't validate my statement that i'm not sexist, simply because i said so on the internet, i can undersdand that you can think of me as an unconcious sexist.

    But saying everyone but us is unaware of their privilige is even bolder presumption.

    Next, on Anita's videos specifically. I don't know what you mean about the videos being one sided. The point of the videos is to examine sexist tropes in games from a feminist lens. It isn't to examine all tropes, including not sexist ones. It also isn't sexism 101 i.e. it's not trying to prove sexism is a real issue before going into its critique. It's 'here's some tropes that come up regularly in games, and here are some examples of that in action.' It's remarkably uncontroversial stuff, really.

    ...there are enough videos and text in the web which disect and analyze the channel, far better than i can do it with my bad grammar and my limited foreign vocabulary.

    I don't know what you mean about the videos being one sided.

    i didn't want to enter those exact gamergate disputes because they are so nitpicking and people like to bash about it

    but as a male i also dont feel that i'm properly represented as a gender in many games.

    And, also, by pointing out these tropes, she is never trying to out the designers or developers or players of these games as sexists or bad people. As she points out at the top of each and every video, it's still possible to enjoy media while drawing attention to its more problematic aspects. Many games have been given as examples, including some of Tim's, and games by people who are absolutely on Anita's side on these issues. It's not a witch hunt, it's just some examples.

    this is what i meant when i said aggresive. Maybe its subjective, maybe you really didn't found the videos developer and artist shaming. But i know i did. If they weren't there wouldn't be such distant and harsh sides on both end.

    And sure, you might pick on particular examples and say 'well this one doesn't really work because ' and maybe you'd have a point in some cases, but the point isn't those isolated examples. They're just examples. The point is that these tropes are very, very common. Like I said, really not controversial stuff - if people think Anita's videos are a harsh, disproportionate feminist critique, I can't help but feel they might be a little naive.

    it's hard for me when someone disregards my oppinion when i try to present it as honestly as i can, but we can't all be the same.

    Finally, even though it's outside the remit of the videos, really, Anita DOES in fact take some time out in some of the videos to draw attention to good examples of female representations in games - the ones that play with these tropes and flip them on their head - like the ending of the first Monkey Island game where it turns out that Guybrush's attempts to rescue Elaine have in fact made things worse as a nice subversion of the damsel-in-distress thing, and so forth. She's not saying that good examples don't exist, or even that All Games Must Avoid These Things - merely that right now the bad examples are extremely common.

    and you don't think that's a problem, that she can basicly manipulate the narrative to give it a femreq + or a femreq -, depending if the deveoper supports her cause or not.

    One last thing - EVERY artform except for games, pretty much, is subjected to far deeper and harsher social critique than games ever have been. This should be seen not as a challenge to the artform (even if you disagree with the critique!) but a badge of honour. It means that the medium is growing up, that it's able to take a bit more examination than can be captured in a consumer-oriented review, or whatever. There's a reason that creators of games, the people actually making them aren't up in arms, complaining about how people like Anita are trying to stifle their creative freedom. It's because it's not true. The only people who are fretting over this don't really seem to have a very sensible idea of how the creative process actually works.
    i dont agree at all, with that whole statement.

  3. it's not really about the joke, its about his vocal political stance.

    i don't want to discuss gamergate as i'm not suporting it but i'm strongly against femreq's vision of how an art form form should be treated.

    I hate seeing the same stereotipical characters over and over again but bad writing shouldnt be a problem about sexism.

    I hate the dispute that it implies that if i dont consider femreq's critique to be just or valuable to equality, i should be labeled as sexist, why?

    Why? I think of myself as an extreme advocate of equality, is it so hard to see that this position is extremely aggressive and one-sided?

    I respect Tim's voice, but i'm not a sexist


  4. The issue occurs when Vella enters the Cloud Colony for the first time.

    Since it would be a pain to start the game from the begining, i'll just add what i did as repro steps D:, not sure if nab tho.

    1.Load save point after climbing the blue bird's nest for the first time

    2.Fall down after trying to talk to a bird.

    3.Enter the "room" on the left by double clicking

    4.Immediately go back and click on the Harm'ny sign. (Never heard of him)

    5.Notice how Vell acts like she knows everyone. D: