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  1. I just received the update email with the good news about DRM-free, thank you to the team at double fine, i look forward to playing it !
  2. Have fun. Say, wasn't that a Kickstarter that explicitly promised DRM free? Huh, I wonder why they break THEIR promises. Mh, I just investigated a bit - and as it seems as of right now there is seems no DRM-free version, but it will be available soonish. Just to say it: Hearing that I'm kinda glad I backed out before the end of the KS. I don't need yet another game where I need to ask why the version I payed for doesn't happen or is delayed. But seeing all this "DRM-free" advocated projects have problems delivering on it makes it kinda unlike that I'm going to back another video game Kickstarter in the near future. And if I do I think I would need to ask some serious question how they plan to treat the DRM-free version/backers. But right know I have the feeling that many developers on KS* just say "Mh, everything promises DRM-free, so we do it to! And then we forget about it later... Oh some backers have problems about not getting DRM-free games?... Mh, we try to make it happen some day - but for now have other people have their fun with the game." And I have the feeling that this doesn't help anybody in the long run. Promising stuff and not doing it (or delay it without reasons) is a good way to make people stop caring about what you promise them. * I have no clue if that is a fair conclusion, but from the Games that are more or less finished from KS that I have heard about it I haven't seen one that stayed truly faithful to their DRM-free promise (Shadowrun Returns [though they at least managed to sort that out mostly], Broken Age and The Banner Saga - so that sample size is kinda small.) As a backer of "The Banner Saga", i have no issue with their DRM-free version arriving a few weeks late, because on their release day they actually told us "Steam version is up, we're working with GOG to deliver the DRM-free version as soon as possible". For me, that's the difference, they told us they're working on it and it will be available as soon as they polished it, they didn't act like DF did "Well, the DRM-free version... I forgot, sorry, but not now, we have better things to do, see you in six months"
  3. And how are they supposed to know when they no longer need to update the first act? Well, don't worry, game developpers know what i'm talking about, "beta, release, master candidate, bugs", it's our really secret language
  4. Thanks for your feedback greg, and as enigma said, the steam exclusive beta is not a problem, we're aware of the "easy to update" advantage of steam and we don't ask for a DRM-free version right now, we're just talking about a DRM-free version of the final Act 1, once this beta is over and most of the bugs are fixed (yes, we want to be sure we're understood correctly ).
  5. To those people I say 'good riddance.' If they're just going to throw their hands up in the air before the game even releases they shouldn't be entitled to anything. First, thanks to the respectful and argumented discussion... really... I agree that we will have access to both (DRM-free and steam keys) at the end, and it costs us nothing more to play the game that running steam once and we'll have our DRM-free version later, we can play that game now and have the benefit of the DRM-free at the end, this is the important thing, yes. I will add an argument i think i didn't see until now (wouhou !) I just want to add, as a gamer and a game developper, that the monopoly of steam for your game visibility is a problem for me. If you develop a game for PC, today your success is almost linked to the only fact you're on steam or not. Developpers depend on one and only distributor to live, Valve, and that is a problem for me. Distribution channel monopoly is an issue, especially when they are responsible for its advertisement on the front page of the store. That's also the reason i support DRM-free gaming. But what do i gain by not playing this on steam, even without paying it TO steam ? Studios often choose their distribution channel by the number of potential sales (it makes total sense, we have to eat) and by playing on Steam even once, event if it's free, i encourage them, by adding my name to statistics of "players owning BA on steam", in the belief that Steam is their only real solution and other channels are "details". Developpers look at the number of people playing on steam and use this number, amongst other statistics, to draw conclusions for their next game, and so on... That leading to some developpers only distributing on steam, because the investment to go to other platforms is not as interesting, seeing these numbers. And i know, because i'm one of them, that PC developpers can hardly live without being on this store today and that they're not all OK with this.
  6. @ET3D : i could reply that "Steam is not DRM" is your belief, i already explained why i think it is DRM on page 3... I don't know what i can add that have not been said on previous pages... To be honest, i never said "steam shouldn't be used", steam users are happy with this model and good for them, everyone can play the way he likes. we chose to not play on Steam, and it's our choice. I know steam has advantages (price of games, easy library management, community...) and if you're happy with it, go, knock yourself out.
  7. I downloaded the game using Steam on my Linux machine. As a test, I copied the game to my wife's Linux machine, disconnected her from the internet and I was able to launch the game. So using your definition Steam is not DRM. So your solution to play the game i backed as a windows DRM-free game is to install linux and copy the installation folder somewhere else (which seems like a workaround exception more than an official way to do things) ? Oh yes, steam is so easy to use, why do we resist ? Seriously, this is going in circles for pages, you won't convince us that we're wrong not to use steam, it's just our choice and we adress concerns to developpers...
  8. OK, it begins to be annoying... DRM = "digital rights management", a thing that checks if you have the right to use a software before allowing you to use it. To install a game, Steam needs to be installed and to check if you have that game in your library, so it checks digitally that you have the right to install this software, it... "manages"... your... "digital"... "rights"... to use this game, OK ? Yes, once the game is installed, some games don't require steam to run, it only checks your rights for the installation process, it's less restrictive that other DRM systems, but it is still a digital rights check. On the other hand, if i buy and download a game DRM-free, i can copy it on a hard drive and re-install it when i want, where i want, without nobody checking anything, that's what we call DRM-free, the fact that you use and like Steam doesn't change that fact. Every developper on the planet and every store on the web differentiate DRM-free release and steam copies, why can't we ? But guys... We don't need you to agree, or even to understand what we think, we're just communicating our thoughts to the developpers.
  9. Hi, I'm one of the guys who told about their disappointment on the release post : but the goal was just to give a feedback to developpers, with respect and calm. We're not screaming and crying while rolled in a foetal position in front of their office, we're just giving feedback respectfully like... what this forum is about. I think steam is DRM because once i downloaded my game, i can't back it up on a hard drive where i want and install it again on any PCs, now and in the future, without reconnecting to steam like i do with my GOG, or humble games. That's not an argumentation, that's my personnal opinion, just the way i see how we play. When developpers announce DRM-free release, it means and has always meant "outside of steam", whether you're thinking steam is DRM or not, that's not the point. We're just saying that we, who chose to not play our games on steam for any reason (it's still not the point), cannot play the first part of the game we backed until the episode 2 is released even after the beta is over, and we can't keep on watching the documentaries. I'm disappointed that i'll have to wait several month, that we didn't know that until the day before the release, and that we, DRM-free players, seem to be "not as important" for Double Fine, even when one of the strong selling point of most KS projects IS the DRM-free release. I still love games DF do, i still respect their work and the way they develop, i just give my opinion about the way they release and communicate on Broken Age. They can decide to change their mind when the steam beta/early access is over, or they can stand to their original statement and let us wait, i'm not crying to have my money back or anything, i'm still glad i backed this project but i think that giving our opinion is important, as long as we stay polite and respectful.
  10. Exactly, it's a full release of a 2 part game, like broken sword did, and the update clearly states that the DRM-free release will be with the episode 2 only. I agree that steam is more convenient to fix bugs for the first weeks, there are developpers who wait a few weeks before releasing DRM-free versions to have time to fix things easily before with steam update system, and it's fine as long as we're aware of this. But it's not the case here, the update clearly says that there will be no DRM-free release of the episode 1, beta or not, and we were never told about this until now, that's why we're disappointed.
  11. I second this position. Not being a steam-hater myself - I have a steam account with very few games - I still understand and support what zaskaggs pointed out in his post. If you are a person with an ethical standpoint against DRM, you will not be able to participate in anything happening from now on without being spoiled, which is, as we all will surely agree, the worst case scenario with a game like this. (I have to admit that "betrayal" is a pretty harsh word though) I agree, i'm disappointed, i chose to support DRM-free games and stopped using steam for new games I buy. One of the way to do this was kickstarter and all the DRM-free promises. Now i'm a little disappointed by the fact that depsite all the wait, i won't be able to play Broken Age until the episode 2 is released. It is a choice from Double Fine, and yes the DRM-free promise in the project was actually the full game but... Learning this the day before the release when nobody never bother to mention this detail is a disappointment. Maybe if i knew this from the start it wouldn't have been but it is. Now I feel that DRM-free is still "a detail to make a few hippies happy" even for developpers like DF, and THIS is disappointing. Anyway, have fun with Broken Age !
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