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Double Fine, please add Windows XP support like in Costume Quest 2!

Just remember Win XP is completely dead.

That's irrelevant. Any 32-bit OS limits the available RAM to less that 4GB. Besides, a game like this requiring 4GB of RAM is just poor optimization.

Win XP x64 supports more than 4GB of RAM! Long live Win XP.

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So, I have a Macbook Air late 2011 using HD Graphics 3000 (I know that it isn't supported). OpenGL 3.3 support. The game starts alright into the first cut sceen but keeps on crashing when I try to get to the menu( where I heard the graphic settings are)

Do any of you guys have any idea how to lower the graphic settings before the game crashes?

I have the GoG version if that change anything.

Edit: I know that the HD Graphics 3000 isn't supported, but it works for most games anyway generally.

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I mean really, just running a modern OS like Windows 7 or 8 requires 4GB of RAM, especially the 64 bit version.

I also don't think the requirements are a hard line, either, they just don't want to be accountable for testing on systems outside of those specs. I especially think the video requirements are inflated because it works on Intel 4000 which is way below the other two cards it mentions as a minimum for their manufacturers.

Quoting the original specs is pretty dumb. Like I said a system like that couldn't even boot a modern OS. The point of this re-release was to bring the game to modern computers.

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@Poplion

Just read through Vic's sys reqs a page before, and i didn't read something about the VRAM there. If it will be 512MB, as a min req, for adventure gamers, including notebooks, this can be too much already.

It was directly mentioned on the Gog-page. (now of course it is the updated specs from this thread ...)

+ the Graphic cards that are mentioned in the requirements have ... if i got the informations right ... 512mb Vram. At least the one graphic card i could find that information easily for. Please correct me if i am wrong and the others use less. But as 512mb allready was on the GOG Page and 256 mb vram means like allways trouble while playing ANY game that got 3d ... well yhea. ^^ (beside Tomb Raider Underworld, don't ask me how they did it, letting me play it like super smooth, well, beside of course it was ported from feral. A whole company specialised porting high graphic games to the mac ... and the game again is kinda getting "old" allready).

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Currently 256MB are a nice basis for VRAM. It's easy to double/quadruple that on desktop but notebooks (if you also want to support not only the lastest ones) are more restrictive in this area. Sure it's nice being able to access more memory but DF aren't making the same type of games as Roberts is. Lots of possibilities coming up with interesting stories/gameplay/styles ... and depending on the specific project gfx mostly scale (at least to a certain degree) too.

Oh and Grim works (so far) on at least three 256MB GPUs.

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Thanks for understanding!
An old version of grim, with those pixelated textures back than and without the shadows... well you still can play it! get a virtual machine with xp and istall it on it. The game with low specs exist! ^^

You can toggle into original render mode in the Remastered version. It certainly helps performance to play in that mode, although you miss out on all the new stuff.

Well, sounds like a good plan and a thing i would totally do!

But than again there is this issue:

So, I have a Macbook Air late 2011 using HD Graphics 3000 (I know that it isn't supported). OpenGL 3.3 support. The game starts alright into the first cut sceen but keeps on crashing when I try to get to the menu( where I heard the graphic settings are)

Do any of you guys have any idea how to lower the graphic settings before the game crashes?

I have the GoG version if that change anything.

Edit: I know that the HD Graphics 3000 isn't supported, but it works for most games anyway generally.

So i guess this problem might be easily solved, if you can set your graphic settings in an own window before the game starts running, right?

Well, would be a - very - interesting option ^^

But like offical real minimum specs, even mentioned as a "minimum specs for the oldschool mode - for your older systems" would be interesting to have ^^

It would be kinda heart breaking having it and not to be able to play it ^^ it would be like reading the requirements the first time all over again xD

And - it's really me, who is thankful for a) you guys having made this game and b) having made it happen to be able to play it now like ... forever from now on! :) Thank you! ;) I really love this game and it is simply perfect. It is great that it has been there and i discovered it back than. That i indeed found it even when it was allready sold out since years. And it is just a cultural classic. Especially in my life. I loved it from the start to the final sequenz.

And i love the fact that further generations are gonne be able to discover it all over again. When i played it, adventure games was like allready declared dead. So thanx for bringing this golden piece back ^^

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So, I have a Macbook Air late 2011 using HD Graphics 3000 (I know that it isn't supported). OpenGL 3.3 support. The game starts alright into the first cut sceen but keeps on crashing when I try to get to the menu( where I heard the graphic settings are)

Do any of you guys have any idea how to lower the graphic settings before the game crashes?

I have the GoG version if that change anything.

Edit: I know that the HD Graphics 3000 isn't supported, but it works for most games anyway generally.

I've tested the game briefly on my 2011 Macbook Air at home and the game ran fine in Original mode, but I'm sorry to hear the menus aren't working! Intel HD 3000 is just below our min spec, so we might not be able to fix all of the problems with that system. But if you put this registry.sav file in the /Users/[YOUR USERNAME]/Library/Application Support/Doublefine/GrimFandango/ folder, it should launch the game in Original mode, and hopefully be much more playable.

Here's the updated registry.sav file: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1489690/registry.sav

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Intel HD 3000 is just below our min spec, so we might not be able to fix all of the problems with that system.
Are you guys really using Geometry Shaders in Remastered?

Because everything else except geometry shaders available with GL 3.1 core profile and will work with HD3000 on Windows.

PS: Also consider to add "NvOptimusEnablement" into executable on Windows as this will solve a lot of problems with players who have Optimus laptops (Intel+Nvidia). It's rarely that users of such laptops update their Intel drivers:

http://developer.download.nvidia.com/devzone/devcenter/gamegraphics/files/OptimusRenderingPolicies.pdf

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I know that the HD Graphics 3000 isn't supported, but it works for most games anyway generally.
You may try it on Linux. There is OpenGL 3.3 support for Sandy Bridge (HD3000/2000) implemented.

Though you'll need Ubuntu 14.10 or such to get it.

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So, I have a Macbook Air late 2011 using HD Graphics 3000 (I know that it isn't supported). OpenGL 3.3 support. The game starts alright into the first cut sceen but keeps on crashing when I try to get to the menu( where I heard the graphic settings are)

Do any of you guys have any idea how to lower the graphic settings before the game crashes?

I have the GoG version if that change anything.

Edit: I know that the HD Graphics 3000 isn't supported, but it works for most games anyway generally.

I've tested the game briefly on my 2011 Macbook Air at home and the game ran fine in Original mode, but I'm sorry to hear the menus aren't working! Intel HD 3000 is just below our min spec, so we might not be able to fix all of the problems with that system. But if you put this registry.sav file in the /Users/[YOUR USERNAME]/Library/Application Support/Doublefine/GrimFandango/ folder, it should launch the game in Original mode, and hopefully be much more playable.

Here's the updated registry.sav file: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1489690/registry.sav

Anyone else beside me is thinking about trying it on a white macbook 2010? ^^

I don't know how far the 2011 macbook air is away from mine, really, graphics wise - and how close it should be, for original mode.

But i am more thinking about playing it in one, or a half year or such on a new system, really. But if someone else on a white macbook mid 2010 want to give it a try, i am never the less really courious about the result ^^

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EDIT: Nevermind. I originally couldn't play but I was just an idiot and had to upgrade so I could get to GL 3.3. Back to being excited.

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I might try that, if for nothing else than because I like to tinker. Maybe over the weekend.

Yeah can't hurt, just remember it may open up a can of worms - e.g. you'll discover something else that stops it from running once that's fixed, and so-on.

And yeah, it's an Athlon 64 X2 4200+ (2x2.2Ghz), the Manchester processor. So not really "recent", though it's been holding up astonishingly well. It'll probably see its ten year anniversary before I get around building a new system, heh.

Well I just installed the game on a similar computer without issue. It's an Intel Core 2 Duo 2.8GHz with 4GB RAM, and a GeForce GT 610 graphics card (a low end graphics card not at all designed for gaming). It's running Windows 7 x64 and it launched and ran the game perfectly fine. That computer's about 9 years old, it's not my main computer.

Also I have another lower spec computer that's a 2008 Intel Pentium 2x2.2GHz with 2GB of RAM and no graphics card. It runs Windows 7 x64 perfectly well. It's not plugged in at the moment or I could test it with the game (I've got some old graphics cards lying around I could put in to test it with*). But just to let you know Windows 7 works perfectly fine with a system like yours, it isn't bloated, it will run at least as well, if not better than XP - which I assume you are using the 32-bit OS.

*I will get around to doing this in a few days though, may as well since it'll contribute something to the community.

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So disappointed I won't get to play this. :(

After DF did such a great job with Broken Age Act 1, which even worked on my 2007 XP PC, I thought Grim would at least work on my laptop. But no...this 3.3 instead of 3.1 thing has ruined it for me.

The old version works on my PC still, but I want audio commentary! :(

Sad panda...

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I wish doublefine had put a alternative launch option for the game which would directly boot the game into the classic mode skipping the new stuff so that people can just enjoy the classic version with older systems

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Edit: I know that the HD Graphics 3000 isn't supported, but it works for most games anyway generally.

I've tested the game briefly on my 2011 Macbook Air at home and the game ran fine in Original mode, but I'm sorry to hear the menus aren't working! Intel HD 3000 is just below our min spec, so we might not be able to fix all of the problems with that system. But if you put this registry.sav file in the /Users/[YOUR USERNAME]/Library/Application Support/Doublefine/GrimFandango/ folder, it should launch the game in Original mode, and hopefully be much more playable.

Here's the updated registry.sav file: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1489690/registry.sav

Is there simirarily some launch parameter or some registry key we could try/edit for the Windows or Linux versions as a temporary solution in order to directly launch the game in the original mode?

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A command-line parameter with a link in the start menu would be a perfect idea IMHO. I think the dev team has their hands full right now addressing actual bugs, but I'd love to see some improvements like this made when they have time.

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I've tested the game briefly on my 2011 Macbook Air at home and the game ran fine in Original mode, but I'm sorry to hear the menus aren't working! Intel HD 3000 is just below our min spec, so we might not be able to fix all of the problems with that system. But if you put this registry.sav file in the /Users/[YOUR USERNAME]/Library/Application Support/Doublefine/GrimFandango/ folder, it should launch the game in Original mode, and hopefully be much more playable.

Here's the updated registry.sav file: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1489690/registry.sav

Thanks a lot for that quick reply!

I don´t seem to have any Doublefine subfolder under the Application Support though. Any ideas where that can be?

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I was over excited to play grim fandango remastered and then i saw the system requirements

minimum opengl 3.3 requirement is a buzz kill , i have waited ages to play the game and this is how it ends. I have got 3 laptops and none of them support open gl 3.3 , the nearest i have got is the laptop that has intel hd 3000 and supports open gl 3.1 only.

HD 3000 supports OpenGL 3.3 on Linux.

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So the game does not support XP. Not officially and at the moment not at all. I think it was a wrong decision from the devs not to support older systems as well but I cannot change it. But there is still one question left which imo has not really be answered for me so I will phrase it in a way everybody should understand where my problem lies:

The game requirements are 4GB. It is not mentioned if you'd also need to have those full 4GB available or if it is enough if you have them installed. As I told before I once experienced a game with requirements of 4GB RAM not running on my rig with 4GB installed because the OS takes a big part of the installed memory away. If I use Windows 7 (64GB) w/ 4GB INSTALLED and a GeForce GTX650Ti w/ 1GB RAM on an Intel Core2Duo @3Ghz could I run this game?

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So the game does not support XP. Not officially and at the moment not at all. I think it was a wrong decision from the devs not to support older systems as well but I cannot change it. But there is still one question left which imo has not really be answered for me so I will phrase it in a way everybody should understand where my problem lies:

The game requirements are 4GB. It is not mentioned if you'd also need to have those full 4GB available or if it is enough if you have them installed. As I told before I once experienced a game with requirements of 4GB RAM not running on my rig with 4GB installed because the OS takes a big part of the installed memory away. If I use Windows 7 (64GB) w/ 4GB INSTALLED and a GeForce GTX650Ti w/ 1GB RAM on an Intel Core2Duo @3Ghz could I run this game?

Oh man, really, not even Microsoft supports XP since like a year now anymore! You need a linux partition anyway for internet if you don't want to use windows 7 or 8!

I would recommend Xubuntu 14.04 LTS or Lubuntu 14.04 LTS (= Long Term Support, supported until the next LTS Version), as they are super light, they are for free, "flavours" of the higly stable and user friendly ubuntu, easy to install, you can try them first on a live cd ... and grim is for linux. (EDIT:) For the most XP-feeling i would recommend Kubuntu of course, now that i have been corrected ^^

Really, if you want to keep XP that is your choice, but really NO ONE have - any - reason to support you into using it, AT ALL. It is plain insecure still using it! You shouldn't even be in this forum or ANYWHERE in the internet with XP! It is risky! You are naked in the internet, for making a Lord of the Ring - quote!

Cause there is NO Security support anymore for it AT ALL. Really. Get over it!

Edit pt.2:

Kubuntu looks the most like XP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu

Xubuntu is a very light os, as this seems to be quite importand for you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xubuntu

Lubuntu is from an OS point of view as light as it ever gets! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubuntu (looks kinda like win 95 or 98 really ;) beside it is the really latest and very secure linux kernel)

If you don't want to use any windows from vista on, you have to double boot XP with Linux and - only- use the internet with linux, honestly!

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So the game does not support XP. Not officially and at the moment not at all. I think it was a wrong decision from the devs not to support older systems as well but I cannot change it. But there is still one question left which imo has not really be answered for me so I will phrase it in a way everybody should understand where my problem lies:

The game requirements are 4GB. It is not mentioned if you'd also need to have those full 4GB available or if it is enough if you have them installed. As I told before I once experienced a game with requirements of 4GB RAM not running on my rig with 4GB installed because the OS takes a big part of the installed memory away. If I use Windows 7 (64GB) w/ 4GB INSTALLED and a GeForce GTX650Ti w/ 1GB RAM on an Intel Core2Duo @3Ghz could I run this game?

Oh man, really, not even Microsoft supports XP since like a year now anymore! You need a linux partition anyway for internet if you don't want to use windows 7 or 8!

I would recommend Xubuntu 14.04 LTS or Lubuntu 14.04 LTS (= Long Term Support, supported until the next LTS Version), they are for free, "flavours" of the higly stable and user friendly ubuntu, easy to install, they are like SUPER light and you can try them first on a live cd ... and grim is for linux. Or try elemantary OS. It is awesome looking! But more mac like. But it is a very light OS aswell. And my absolut favorite Linux on any Pc really.

Really, if you want to keep XP that is your choice, but really NO ONE have - any - reason to support you into using it, AT ALL. It is plain insecure still using it! You shouldn't even be in this forum or ANYWHERE in the internet with XP! It is risky! You are naked in the internet, for making a Lord of the Ring - quote!

Cause there is NO Security support anymore for it AT ALL. Really. Get over it!

Edit: You still have to check if the current "ubuntu flavour" you favor is based on the required Ubuntu Version 14.04!

So ... Kubuntu, the most XP like ubutnu is out of the game at the moment. And that means you would have to wait for Elementary OS Freya (that is still not final yet) if you like that one.

But Xubuntu is quite nice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xubuntu

And Lubuntu is from an OS point of view as light as it ever gets! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubuntu (looks kinda like win 95 or 98 really ;) beside it is the really latest and very secure linux kernel)

If you don't want to use any windows from vista on, you have to double boot XP with Linux and - only- use the internet with linux, honestly!

Maybe you should get over the fact that there are some people out there who prefer to use an OS they actually like regardless of the so called "risks". I am not naive and MS systems or software never were that secure (I even used IE a long time befor I finally switched to FF just because it was faster and more compatible - not because of the additional security. I don't really need that much security because I don't do online banking or such. And why shouldn't I post in forums like this while being on an unsecure system? Oh yes, someone could steal my username and post in my name - if he has fun in doing so I have no problem with it.

I have two HDDs and on one runs XP on the other Win7 so I have the choice. Every time I end up with XP because I like it more. That is my choice and I do you no harm in doing so so you gain nothing from trying to change my mind.

But the real question unfortunately you have not answered and the questions starts with "If I am running Win7" so this is a question you should want to answer. So I am still waiting for an answer to the question if it is enough when I have 4GB RAM installed or if I do need tpo have 4GB available to use (meaning I'd have installed more then 4GB total). If it is not enough I could not run the game anyway - on WinXP OR Win7 - that is why I was asking. And if you read my last posting carefullyyou'll see that I regret that the devs did not support OLDER SYSTEMS I am not speaking of Windows XP here but older computers in general.

It is sad. In every other forum I am posting people just answering questions and I answer theirs. I am here in this forum for just a few days but all I heard was "Don't use XP" which did not help me at all.

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So ... Kubuntu, the most XP like ubutnu is out of the game at the moment. And that means you would have to wait for Elementary OS Freya (that is still not final yet) if you like that one.

Not sure what you mean by this? Kubuntu is based on Ubuntu, same as Xubuntu and Lubuntu, but with the KDE Plasma desktop environment instead of Unity, Xfce or LXDE. I'm using Kubuntu 14.04 LTS myself, and I have absolutely no trouble running any current games on it, including Grim Fandango Remastered. Plasma isn't as lightweight as LXDE but is a great choice for anyone who wants more customizability than most other desktop environments offer.

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I'm using Debian testing with KDE (running Grim Fandango Remastered there). There are many distros to choose from. openSUSE is a good option as well.

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So sorry! Yes, i got it all wrong that in wikipedia was the 13.04 Version of Kubuntu was the example picture!

So than i realy recommend Kubuntu, as it feels the most like XP i guess.

I gonne edit it i guess ^^ (again ;) )

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I'm using Debian testing with KDE (running Grim Fandango Remastered there). There are many distros to choose from. openSUSE is a good option as well.

Yhea well, the official requirements are ubuntu, so i thought that one would be savest as a suggestion.

If he still uses Xp he don't seems to be too much into trying new things every couple of weeks, really ^^

So a Long Term Support Version that will stay the same for years sounds kinda more reasonable in this case, than openSUSE ;)

Maybe you should get over the fact that there are some people out there who prefer to use an OS they actually like regardless of the so called "risks". I am not naive and MS systems or software never were that secure (I even used IE a long time befor I finally switched to FF just because it was faster and more compatible - not because of the additional security. I don't really need that much security because I don't do online banking or such. And why shouldn't I post in forums like this while being on an unsecure system? Oh yes, someone could steal my username and post in my name - if he has fun in doing so I have no problem with it.

I have two HDDs and on one runs XP on the other Win7 so I have the choice. Every time I end up with XP because I like it more. That is my choice and I do you no harm in doing so so you gain nothing from trying to change my mind.

But the real question unfortunately you have not answered and the questions starts with "If I am running Win7" so this is a question you should want to answer. So I am still waiting for an answer to the question if it is enough when I have 4GB RAM installed or if I do need tpo have 4GB available to use (meaning I'd have installed more then 4GB total). If it is not enough I could not run the game anyway - on WinXP OR Win7 - that is why I was asking. And if you read my last posting carefullyyou'll see that I regret that the devs did not support OLDER SYSTEMS I am not speaking of Windows XP here but older computers in general.

It is sad. In every other forum I am posting people just answering questions and I answer theirs. I am here in this forum for just a few days but all I heard was "Don't use XP" which did not help me at all.

Well, my point wasn't if you should use XP or not, my point was, that if Microsoft ISN'T supporting you in using XP, no one really have to!

I even talked about double booting. If you don't like windows 7 anyway, make a totally now a days supported OS out of it.

My Linux suggestions might also be read as the easiest thinkable solution for you to play Grim Fandango, if you like ...

P.s.:

Here are the final specs [ ... ]

---

OS: Windows Vista or later

[ ... ]

Memory: 4 GB RAM

[ ... ]

It was on page 2.

And that is a yes.

If the requirements are 4GB that calculates the usage of windows 7, as it is supported, into that requirement. So yes, windows 7 + only 4GB Ram is good enough to play. Officially. Still the other requirements are needed of course ...

Still, let me just have that last point: Kubuntu, Xubuntu and Lubuntu, each is way more lighter than win7! So if you prefer XP, it might be worth trying! It is really easy, and if you allready have a dual boot it is even easier to install it over win 7 if a lightwise system is something you really want!

Plus, if a virus crashes your whole XP and you have to reinstall everything and have lost all your data (including saved games) ... well i guess than you will mind the lack of security.

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wow i expected only 2-3 people going to have this problem of steep high requirements looking at steam forums looks like there are a lot more people

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Well, everyone who still could play the cave and brütal legend is out now.

And it's the Age of Laptops ... those aint the most perfect devices for graphic cards. Especially not for updating them.

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So, I have a Macbook Air late 2011 using HD Graphics 3000 (I know that it isn't supported). OpenGL 3.3 support. The game starts alright into the first cut sceen but keeps on crashing when I try to get to the menu( where I heard the graphic settings are)

Do any of you guys have any idea how to lower the graphic settings before the game crashes?

I have the GoG version if that change anything.

Edit: I know that the HD Graphics 3000 isn't supported, but it works for most games anyway generally.

I've tested the game briefly on my 2011 Macbook Air at home and the game ran fine in Original mode, but I'm sorry to hear the menus aren't working! Intel HD 3000 is just below our min spec, so we might not be able to fix all of the problems with that system. But if you put this registry.sav file in the /Users/[YOUR USERNAME]/Library/Application Support/Doublefine/GrimFandango/ folder, it should launch the game in Original mode, and hopefully be much more playable.

Here's the updated registry.sav file: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1489690/registry.sav

Works for me launching the game in Original mode, doesn't work for me not having the game freeze the whole computer after the first cutscene. I'm not the only one either, as evidenced by this thread on Steam.

I know my 2011 Macbook Air (with HD Graphics 3000) doesn't support OpenGL 3.3 but honestly I'm pretty disappointed in all this. I'm not going to make the claim it's 15 years old as I know it's a remastered version but this machine still handles heaps of modern games and the fact that 15 year old game with updated textures has been built so it won't run on heaps of systems seems insane to me.

Edit: Just saw that Vic has posted there saying you're working on the issues which is really great to hear!

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Will this ongoing optimization process eventually lower the requirements to a point in which that ludicrous mandatory OpenGL 3.3 issue is addressed and, hopefully, eliminated? Because this thing has been bugging me a lot.

I know the game was developed mostly and basically on new PlayStation hardware that has OpenGL 3.3, but could you please take us users with older GPUs in more consideration? Pretty please? The game would run flawlessly on most old machines with just a bit more optimization on DF's part, I don't understand why you released it in this state, basically giving the impression that the team at Sony did all the hard technical work (the game runs extremely well on their consoles), and all the Double Fine team did was port it directly to the PC...

Also: I sincerely hope you don't forget the GOG community, we've been waiting for Grim Fandango for what it seems like forever, now, and I think you should keep those updates coming over there as soon as you get them (and sooner would be way better than later, as the game is being massacred in its current state, riddled with bugs and optimization issues).

Take care! :D

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Will this ongoing optimization process eventually lower the requirements to a point in which that ludicrous mandatory OpenGL 3.3 issue is addressed and, hopefully, eliminated? Because this thing has been bugging me a lot.

I know the game was developed mostly and basically on new PlayStation hardware that has OpenGL 3.3, but could you please take us users with older GPUs in more consideration? Pretty please? The game would run flawlessly on most old machines with just a bit more optimization on DF's part, I don't understand why you released it in this state, basically giving the impression that the team at Sony did all the hard technical work (the game runs extremely well on their consoles), and all the Double Fine team did was port it directly to the PC...

Also: I sincerely hope you don't forget the GOG community, we've been waiting for Grim Fandango for what it seems like forever, now, and I think you should keep those updates coming over there as soon as you get them (and sooner would be way better than later, as the game is being massacred in its current state, riddled with bugs and optimization issues).

Take care! :D

Isn't OpenGL 3.3 over five years old at this point? It's good going have a graphics card last that long! :) That said, I wonder if the optimizing for older cards is harder than you think? :-(

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