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Something I find funny is that my interest in both crime fiction and horror have the same point of origin: watching reruns as a kid of Scooby-Doo Where Are You.

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You guys ever read a book that you really want to like but somehow goes along like it's designed specifically to disappoint you

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Oh yeah. Usually books with really cool worlds and really cliched plots. Or when the villain is more likable and relatable than the main character. Or when the villain could have been interesting, but gets reduced to just being evil for no reason.

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For me, the biggest example of this is Ready Player One.Β 

Although this is probably hypocritical of me since I'm going to see the movie. But that's mainly because of Spielberg.

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20 hours ago, Noname215 said:

For me, the biggest example of this is Ready Player One.Β 

Although this is probably hypocritical of me since I'm going to see the movie. But that's mainly because of Spielberg.

What is this book and where did it come from?

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3 hours ago, Feddlefew said:

What is this book and where did it come from?

It's set in 2041 and is about how the world uses a virtual reality video game to escape reality, the creator dies and whoever can solve a series of Easter eggs gets control of the game and his fortune, so a kid goes on a quest to find them.

It's sloppily written, the dialogue is weak, it's inconsistent in what it's trying to say, and it's way too over saturated with pop culture references that it gets in the way. I know I should be more forgiving because this isΒ Ernest Cline's first novel, but I'm not. This book just really pissed me off.

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3 hours ago, Noname215 said:

It's set in 2041 and is about how the world uses a virtual reality video game to escape reality, the creator dies and whoever can solve a series of Easter eggs gets control of the game and his fortune, so a kid goes on a quest to find them.

It's sloppily written, the dialogue is weak, it's inconsistent in what it's trying to say, and it's way too over saturated with pop culture references that it gets in the way. I know I should be more forgiving because this isΒ Ernest Cline's first novel, but I'm not. This book just really pissed me off.

Do we afford the same consideration to Stephanie Myer? It's a garbage book that peddles in nostalgia porn. It's a list of all the old shit Ernest Cline can think of being remembered fondly by people his age spread out into a paper thin ripoff of Willy Wonka and sold to a generation who couldn't Β give a shit about his nostalgia.

%#$@&! being nice, the man is a hack, his second novel proved that by being Β carbon copy of his first.

Where are the JK Rowlings of the world? Can I get a runaway success story for a writer who actually deserves the runaway success?

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However, all venom aside, after a trailer like that and with the man behind my favorite movie of all time atΒ the helm, I'll bite the bullet and hope Spielberg can make something good out of Cline's mess.

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1 hour ago, Tiny Dust! said:

%#$@&! being nice, the man is a hack, his second novel proved that by being Β carbon copy of his first.

I didn't even bother withΒ Armada.Β I read the front flap and figured it be more of the same.

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45 minutes ago, Noname215 said:

However, all venom aside, after a trailer like that and with the man behind my favorite movie of all time atΒ the helm, I'll bite the bullet and hope Spielberg can make something good out of Cline's mess.

I have no such hopes for the film. Much as I grew to dislike the book there was some promise in the idea of Virtual Reality Willy Wonka. And the scene where the lead plays Joust against a lich was %#$@&!ing metal and I would love to see that in a movie. But the visual style of the movie and the action footage they put in the trailer inspired no confidence that the film will capture the more imaginative moments of the book. Which seem to have been replaced by more of the member berry smoothie that ended up putting me off the book.

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Apparently when Spielberg got brought onto the project he brought a copy of the book to meetings that was full of sticky notes on pages with stuff he specifically wanted to put in the movie, so I'm betting on the Joust bit being in there.

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While looking at art forΒ Eye of the OrientΒ inspiration, it dawned on me how damn good the cover art on pulp adventure magazines tendedΒ to be.

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All the time.

Though, more and more I find myself getting inspired by tabletop source books. Those things are excellent for putting character ideas in my head.

Also, if either of you want to read a pretty neat virtual reality book, check out Heir Apparent by Vivian Vande Velde. It's basically this girl who goes to a futuristic super VR arcade to play a court intrigue game and while she's in the machine, it breaks and the only way she can exit the game is by winning it, which she has to do before her brain fries. It kinda ends up being Game of Thrones meets Groundhog Day.

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Do you guys write simply for self satisfaction or with the hope of one day publishing?

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2 minutes ago, Noname215 said:

Do you guys write simply for self satisfaction or with the hope of one day publishing?

A bit of both.

At the end of the day I have these stories Β I want to tell and if I don't do something about it then I'll just be miserable for not doing anything with them. But as long as I'm doing it I might as well try to make a living off the effort.

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Whichever of my projects I finish first, if it's good enough that I'm comfortable with it being published, I will absolutely seek out a wayΒ to publish it. Like maybe through one of those Inkitt writing contests or NaNoWriMo.

There's a guy I knew from my high school who has written scripts professionally and made money off of them. One script he wrote was a western and with that he won like a 5000 dollar prize in an event that was officiated by Neil Gaiman. I don't talk to him anymore butΒ that sort of scenario is something I aspire to.

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I want to be published by an actual publisher. Self-Publishing is a legitimate route. But I want my work to passΒ muster with an editor and get the kind of marketing backing it needs to get it into as many hands as it can.

Though I'm also interested in writing screenplays and comics so I guess it just depends on what kind of project I finish first. I'd like to get a script on the Black List. A comic book treatment would require an artist to get me anywhere.

I've also played with the idea of a Patreon or other crowd-funded method to profiting from my work, though that's something that requires a bit more consideration. Though certainly it's not impossible with my love of long-form storytelling that I could make something like that work for me.

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Vampires, definitely. But I like to frame them more like World of Darkness where they're not automatically evil, but just the toll of living for a really long time and having to lie and steal blood from people eventually leads to them being severely disconnected from a normal sort of morality. And that if they try to stop drinking blood, their hunger will consume them and cause them to be even more destructive than if they just go along with the curse. And while drinking animal blood is possible, it's more like becoming a vegetarian that only eats celery than a real long-termΒ alternative.

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At least you can be a lot more inventive with werewolves and vampires (I'm not talking about that Twilight crap). Everything that can be done with zombies has at this point been done toΒ death.

I still have a soft spot for the old Universal Monsters.Β 

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I like classic monsters too. They've been done a lot, but there's always a new take on how to do them. New monsters can be very fun, but it creates another barrier to the reader's understanding your work. If you're already throwing a lot at the readers, a classic monster can be a good way to provide something for the readers to orient themselves around.

I also like the transformative aspect of classic monsters. It's further grounding for them. It can often be difficult to create an interesting and compelling monster, but rooting that monster as formerly being human gives a strong base to work from so they can be both relatable and monstrous.

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