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I think it was interesting having oleanders butcher thoughts and Raz's circus thoughts together. Plus the only 2 challenging bits were the bunny chase (Right at the begging) and the fire fence.

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Awesome level

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Indeed it was awesome, and if my previous thread told me anything, most people agree that the PLOT was awesome. Its just the execution that could've used more work. The obstacles and challenges weren't very well-thought out, but its expected, given the short time DF had to finish up the game before releasing a demo or something...

But yeah, most people just hate the obstacles. I know I did ]:U Especially that bunny bit. I DETEST Lil' Oly's voice. The whole acrobatics part was a walk in the park compared to that.

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I thought you liked to play catch with me son...

That level kicked my butt. I still love it though. Tough love.

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The only parts I hated were the ones unanimously hated by most everyone who hates the level: saving Oly and the obstical course. What I hated most of the course was the part where there are three tightropes twanged up in a ladder-like way near the fire cages, and you have to climb them... but your psuedodad keeps THROWING STUFF AT YOU. Nothing was more painful than attempting to get to the top of them, only to nearly make it and having to wait for Raz to stop swinging so you could get to the top, then to suddenly have a flaming stick jam into you and be forced to fall back onto the ground. AGONY. It might be just because I suck at anything timed, but I had to use cheats the first time around until I could get the hang of it.

Oh, and saving Oly is self-explainitory. STOP. TALKING. KID. I also strongly disliked the sword-throwers, but I already ranted about that in a different topic.

Other than that, the musical score was amazing, the art was trippy and good, and the characters deliciously malformed and creepy. I haven't seen a level this artistically pleasing since the abandoned mansion in Voodoo Vince. Then again, that game's art pretty much trumps all, even if I haven't finished it (yet).

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I only hated the somehwat timed "Saving Oly" part and the tunnel of love, that was a bitch as I kept falling off. I assumed like Ratchet and Clank that you would always be locked onto the rail during those bits, but boy was I wrong and so very frustrated. The obstacle course was easy for me because at that point I became a Platforming God (which I believe everyone did after getting that far.)

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*shudder* Bringing back flashbacks.

LOL. I didn't hate it that much, but it was hard. Which any last level should be. Makes you feel like you accomplished something right? And broke a few controllers in the process.

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I loved the level, difficulty and all. I'm one of the few gamers who actually like escort missions. Sure, the spiraling net part was hard, but I overcomed it by my cheating ways: jumping and walking on the narrow parts on top of the nets. It was later on I learned that I was suppose to be climbing and side jumping them. I still like my way better. ^^; I love the ladder part. I wasn't expecting that!

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I've drowned during the ladder part by just trying to go on it. Then once I thought I'd be clever by jumping to it instead of riding it all the way down. That turned out fatal.

I could tell you guys about how to get the Ghostbusters lanyard, buuuut....

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On my first play through I climbed up the ladder constantly, nearly getting caught by the water. The second time I ended up sliding down/up it, which was weird but much faster :D

I'm of the opinion that the difficulty cliff of Meat Circus is not a Good Thing, although I love the concept.

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I happen to love the Meat Circus. It may be my favorite level of the whole game (followed probably by the Milkman Conspiracy). I mean, it was morbidly twisted, it had backstory, the music was utterly awesome, it was challenging, Razputin's dad was in it, and it was a circus. Every good game should end in the circus.

I loved it even with the escort mission, even with the tunnel of love, even with the rising water, even with the fire fence. And this comes from a person who is as clumsy as a sheep trying to breakdance on a velcro room. If I could beat it, it couldn't be that hard.

I have just a couple of little complaints:

1) The level should have been longer.

2) I was expecting another memory vault for Razputin. Everybody else gets two!

PD. Was Little Oly's voice that annoying? I don't recall him being so obnoxious. Is my mind blocking the horrible truth, or are you just exaggerating?

PD. 2 Wheeeh, it took me ages to figure out what the heck was a lanyard...

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I hated the level first time through. Of course, this is coming from the person who couldn't even do basic KH platforming for the longest time. However, after three hours of banging the controller against my knee, I finally gained the ability to get through the entire level quickly, and now love it, acrobatics wise, and the tunnel of love is really fun with all the turns, provided you don't fall off. Plus, you learn a lot about Oleander, and Raz's perception of his dad as opposed to his real dad. The meat and deranged rabbits, don't like so much, and never ask me to collect all the figments ever again, but beyond that, I think the level really isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. ^^~ The obstacle course is just a huge pain first time through. XP

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The simple reason I hated it wasn't the Meat Circus. The Meat Circus it self was fun, and interesting the fact I hated it was the BODYGUARD PART. I suck, and took me weeks of renting and rerenting the game(any version I bought didn't work but rented did so I rented as much as I could) and ran out of money before I could beat it because little Olle keep dieing before I could get to him with the annoyance of the fact it is a bodyguard mission. All bodyguard missions are bad, and they make whatever level attach to them suck, because this anything else that is connected is looked at with such hatred and distaste because of the bodyguard part. This was the ONLY FAULT with the entire game. I tried for weeks to beat it, but could not. Maybe it is because the difficulty changed so differently then the rest of the game which took me a week to get past(keep in mind I have no life here and leaching off of others) that and tried again for weeks more to get past a couple of platforms and can't because the guy dies before you can reach him and have to start all over again. Makes no sense. Though this isn't what keep me from buying it again.

It had the fault of having no real replayablity after you had beaten the game for most part much like a great book from a library. Doesn't matter how good it is(beats Donkey Kong), if you have no real reason to go back and read it again you're not. That is why I think that the game did not make Double Fine millions of dollars, and looks like they fixed that problem with Brutal Legend. You got that replayablity to make it a must buy instead of a must rent game. That's just my thoughts on it, and I could be wrong.

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i honestly didn't have any problems with the level. i give it a little slack seeing that it IS the final level. if it was too easy THEN i'd complain, plus i love REALLY hard challenges makes me fel like i accomplished something.

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Well I agree with you but it is when it is a deal when it is difficult not because of your own fault but because of some stupid guy who does the ass stupid things that force you to lose because of an AI and not yourself is when it becomes a problem worth complaining about. It is why bodyguard missions are so hated. It isn't because of your own fault. Took me a week to beat the girlscout leader but did not complain in the difficulty because it was of my own fault not someone or something else. I love Guilty Gear simply because of it being a hard challenge, it is a deal of it being a challenge isn't the case. It is because it would be AI of the thing you are protecting's fault. If I stop to make sure I didn't die or fall for a second I end up having to start all over. This is someone who loves the game, would of bought and kept the game if I thought there was a chance it would work for me. Now from the deal of I keep renting till I ran out of money, I haven't seen Psycronauts since I return it to Blockbuster. Probably never will. Maybe because it was so much frustration of that level keeping me from finishing the game and might never will is why I think this as a level I hate. Maybe it is the fact it wasn't my fault that I had to keep restarting. I don't know, but I personally think it is just the fact that it has a bodyguard mission is why people hate meat circus. The full game before it worked on the there's a way to figure it out. Doing one thing works, and that is what I think made the game one of the best platformers of all time. When you have a level that doesn't work in the "there's a way to figure it out" way of puzzle which the whole game was for before that point, and then not having it might upset people. A bodyguard mission doesn't work on that, it's a protect the dumb ass that will screw things up if you don't deal. That's my thoughts anyways, may be wrong or bias because of my experience with the game, but it's what I think of it.

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Sorry about it, but never learned it. I do the best I can from trial and error(it's all I know for grammar), don't know how but that is how I pasted even the college assessment test without it. It's the only language I know and I have been unable to use it properly. It is why I am in wonder when people who can speak English and another language because of this. I am trying my best, but when it comes to grammar most first graders amaze me is how bad I am.

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I happen to love the Meat Circus. It may be my favorite level of the whole game (followed probably by the Milkman Conspiracy). I mean, it was morbidly twisted, it had backstory, the music was utterly awesome, it was challenging, Razputin's dad was in it, and it was a circus. Every good game should end in the circus.

I loved it even with the escort mission, even with the tunnel of love, even with the rising water, even with the fire fence. And this comes from a person who is as clumsy as a sheep trying to breakdance on a velcro room. If I could beat it, it couldn't be that hard.

I have just a couple of little complaints:

1) The level should have been longer.

2) I was expecting another memory vault for Razputin. Everybody else gets two!

PD. Was Little Oly's voice that annoying? I don't recall him being so obnoxious. Is my mind blocking the horrible truth, or are you just exaggerating?

PD. 2 Wheeeh, it took me ages to figure out what the heck was a lanyard...

I did love the Meat circus exept one part THE DART BOARDS, i could never seem to get the guys to plang a knife in the boards soon enough to save little Olli, took me like 3 HOURS just to do that one part >.> also i think raz did get 2 memery valts though one was corrupted and half ollivanders, witch brings up the question when did thier brains start murging, or was the tumbler just a massive exploration into the subconcous of Olivander for some god only knows reason

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Sorry about it, but never learned it. I do the best I can from trial and error(it's all I know for grammar), don't know how but that is how I pasted even the college assessment test without it. It's the only language I know and I have been unable to use it properly. It is why I am in wonder when people who can speak English and another language because of this. I am trying my best, but when it comes to grammar most first graders amaze me is how bad I am.

Sarcasm hurts like 10 times more on the internetz, sorry for my bitching, I'll try harder to read your posts."

By the way, Rjo or w/e it's Oleander, Olivander is a fictional wandmaker in the Harry Potter series.

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No problem man, you're just doing the best you can. Now on the Oleander and Olivander aren't they pronounced the same kind of like the different spellings of Michal, just that one may think one over the other because of what they know of?

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I did love the Meat circus exept one part THE DART BOARDS, i could never seem to get the guys to plang a knife in the boards soon enough to save little Olli, took me like 3 HOURS just to do that one part >.> also i think raz did get 2 memery valts though one was corrupted and half ollivanders, witch brings up the question when did thier brains start murging, or was the tumbler just a massive exploration into the subconcous of Olivander for some god only knows reason

I don't think the corrupted memory vault counts as Raz's. Either way, I meant a normal memory vault xD

Hmmm, I've been thinking... In the Meat Circus, there is this Aquato poster, generally assumed to represent Raz's family (because it would make not sense for Raz to have in his mind a poster of another acrobat family).

But the point is, there are eight people on the poster, but only seven on Raz's memory vault. Where's the missing Aquato?

The plot chickens!

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I did love the Meat circus exept one part THE DART BOARDS, i could never seem to get the guys to plang a knife in the boards soon enough to save little Olli, took me like 3 HOURS just to do that one part >.> also i think raz did get 2 memery valts though one was corrupted and half ollivanders, witch brings up the question when did thier brains start murging, or was the tumbler just a massive exploration into the subconcous of Olivander for some god only knows reason

I don't think the corrupted memory vault counts as Raz's. Either way, I meant a normal memory vault xD

Hmmm, I've been thinking... In the Meat Circus, there is this Aquato poster, generally assumed to represent Raz's family (because it would make not sense for Raz to have in his mind a poster of another acrobat family).

But the point is, there are eight people on the poster, but only seven on Raz's memory vault. Where's the missing Aquato?

The plot chickens!

Well, good luck trying to find a normal one. With all of that being blended together like a brain smoothie and all, I'm surprised there wasn't more mental scarring and identity crisises. The idea of Raz blurting out, in a high-pitched voice, "No! Don't hurt the bunnies!" and clapping his hands over his mouth, or Oly scowling at Raz and yelling "SHUT UP!" then apologizing profusely is hilarious to me.

The missing Aquato was in the bathroom at the time. For five hours. Also, I believe the two in the back of the slide where Raz is reading the pamphet and his dad is looking over his shoulder (the male holding up the female wih one hand) are possibly a cuple, which would mean they are (hopefully) not related. That makes one more missing, but he's/she's probably just off fighting crime and the forces of evil.

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But Little Oly's vault was normal (gah, Oleander gets THREE vaults, even if one of them is fake). I was expecting, dunno, a memory vault showing Razputin's acrobatic training. A Hagatha's Home kind of vault, minus the sadistic approach.

Although it would be interesting if Raz and Oleander kept some sort of psychic link. Like a door on each of their minds that leads to the other.

I also fiddled with the idea of the young male and female being a couple, but I think I prefer them as Raz's eldest siblings. A somewhat large family is a nice departure from the typical overused only child protagonist stereotype (at least he's not an orphan, sheesh).

(Join us for a brand-new episode of Aquatos: They fight crime!)

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I originally just went on youtube and watched a Psychonauts playthrough, so I already knew what was going to happen in the Meat Circus, and even so, I was very apprehensive. However, helping Lil' Oly wasn't as annoying as I thought, though it was to my friends. ("STOP FLYING AWAY!") I thought that fighting the Butcher was awesome. I only ran into trouble at the obstacle course, specifically where Raz had to fly through all those flaming rings...and his dad kept throwing those knives and then Raz would fall into the water. That's the only part I really hated.

I really need to replay the game to see all that stuff I missed.

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I was not the most fond of that level for two reasons. It was really really hard. That just makes it not my favorite level, but doesn't make me hate it. The other reason is I have a small problem with clowns, and butchers scare me as well. Putting a circus together with a butcher is terrifying. Awesome, but terrifying. I hate playing the meat circus, but at the same time, I love it. It's much more enjoyable when I watch my brother play that level, because then I get all the joy of seeing the wonders of meat circus, with the frustration of failing. Although, regeneration makes it much easier.

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